DealerBusts

I know the casino is being advertised at Winneronline which may mislead people that its a reputable place to play at. I know max doesn't have anything to do with the advertising policy.

Me and hhc have tested and proven that their VP is rigged. Their BJ is also very suspect despite having favourable rules such as early surrender and drawing to split aces. I have heard numerous stories of bad losing streaks with their BJ and can confirm this from my experience too. I suspect that their games are set to percentage payouts like slots because they do not play like the real game. After all we can't all be that unlucky........

They do pay quick but you've been warned...

max

Can you point us to the analysis that was done to prove their VP is suspect? If there's a real issue here I'm sure our General Manager would like to know about it.

Dirk_Dangerous

LoL, I like your new icon Max

DealerBusts

There was a short discussion about it in this thread:

http://mb.winneronline.com/showthre...hance#post93481

hhc and I tested their 'Mechanic' VP which is a Joker Wild game except that the paytable is extremely generous, paying on Jacks or Better instead of Kings or Better. Even taking away the payout for 4OAK and above, the game supposedly pays over 120% (courtesy of winpoker and hhc). What kind of casino can afford to do this without being bankrupt? A couple of thousand hands gave us very bad results, over 100 units down. Even being down 10 units in 1000 hands is nigh on impossible with the conservative 120% payout. The game was very short on Jacks or better, two pairs, 3OAK etc........ie rigged.

I have no stats on the BJ being rigged apart from my experience and others. I have no doubt that if you gathered all those who played BJ there, we would be lucky to have a dollar between us.

Thx for looking into this, max, i'm sure that you do care about the reputation of winneronline. However there have been a few bad casinos that have been advertised here in the past.

Dirk_Dangerous

Believe me, if this casino is offering a VP game with a payout at 120%+ it is offering a rigged game.

max

Sadly true. I'll check with our new GM to see what our current policy is but in the past we've made a point of backing away from casinos that had a substantiated reputation for "suspect" games and/or payouts.

GrandMaster

I agree did not download the software, but I looked at the help file. The paytable would be OK for regular JoB, but totally unsustainable for joker poker.

hhcfreebie

If you input their payout to winpoker, it will report a 120%+ payout.
However, the 120%+ payout is only for king's or better and lucky chance offer payout at jacks or better! that would add a lot to the total payout.
My estimate is that it's between 135-140% for a fair game.
When I first played there, I hit a joker RF (yep, it pays the same as natual RF!) so my payout was indeed 131%. The second time I played a lot more hands (1200 hands) and the payout was about 99%, which is not too bad with their generous bonus program but still very unlikely with their paytable.
I stopped playing there because if they can rig the payout, they can make me loose no matter how crazy their payout is set.
Give them a try if you want, but you have been warned.

DealerBusts

Just hope no-one is playing here and thinks they're getting a fair game.