For the last few weeks WOL has been assailed by a small but vociferous and aggressive coterie of portal masters who spend most of their time disrupting threads in efforts to defend known bad practice turnkey providers and some of their less palatable licencees.

Exacerbating this situation, these same folks are continually disparaging WOL posters often in abusive terms and actually attacking the WOL message board itself, rather discourteously abusing its hospitality and at times shamelessly promoting themselves and their sites.

I think a word of caution is indicated to these people to temper their activities.

Originally posted by Jetset:
For the last few weeks WOL has been assailed by a small but vociferous and aggressive coterie of portal masters who spend most of their time disrupting threads in efforts to defend known bad practice turnkey providers and some of their less palatable licencees.

Exacerbating this situation, these same folks are continually disparaging WOL posters often in abusive terms and actually attacking the WOL message board itself, rather discourteously abusing its hospitality and at times shamelessly promoting themselves and their sites.

I think a word of caution is indicated to these people to temper their activities.

I take GREAT exception to these accusations, Jetset. I have no idea why you've been acting the way you are lately, but your attitude is <u>way</u> out of line. I think if you really want to be the honest and fair person you've always represented yourself to be, you'd admit who's abusing who in the Best & Worst forum. I'm the one that's been called a whore by your cronies because I won't agree with you on everything.

This is utterly childish, ugly, and ridiculous, and I'm incredibly surprised at your siding with the hoodlums - so are many other people.

And this is what you posted up in Best & Worst about the same time you posted this -
"I don't personally have a problem these days with sig lines - it's the content and intent of the post that counts with me and if it's pneumatic drill style PR that reflects adversely on the poster and his or her sig line."

What is it Jetset? If we don't accept your word as gospel we're not allowed to play with you?

I would have to agree with Cindy on this Jetset.
The assaults have not been stimulated by the portals but the players in every instance I can remember. Cindy is entitled to her imput without yours or anyone elses stamp of approval.

99% of this is centered around Cindy's acceptance of SciFi. She has never shilled or started a thread to attract attention for them or her. She has in every situation only responded to what some else started. Not inappropriate at all.

The board has become a bit vicious and more personal for some reason compared to years past.
I suspect it will go thru cycles from time to time. I for one, hope this particular cycle ends soon. I don't believe Max should be put into a position of taking sides either which is essentially what you are asking.
I feel that is inappropriate, but obviously not my call.

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If people were forced to take out their links from their signature lines, this wouldn't be a problem - because people like Slycin would be nowhere to be found.

I agree with Jetset on this. It seems that many portal owners are intentionally trying to start arguments (i.e. http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000451.html). Why? Because every time they post a reply, it's another free advertisment.

In the above post, for example, the title is "Just for you DonG." If it were actually intended just for him, why put it on a public messageboard?

CPA/Slycin you may take as much exception as you wish - that is your prerogative, as it is mine to say what is on my mind and make open suggestions that I hoped at the time would help restore value to the board without the need to resort to banning and in the eyes of some folks creating a martyr.

You talk of inappropriate behaviour - just go back and have a look at some of those threads and the outrageous statements and insults contained in them.

That was some three weeks back, and the destructive trend continued and ended with a portal master being banned for gross and persistent misbehaviour. Then we had the inedifying spectacle of yet another portal master pushing the envelope on vulgarity and to this day still sniping away at the host here and then trying to justify it all as "humour".

I have never said, nor do I expect to have any more rights or "stamp of authority" than anyone else on this board, and I challenge you to back up your statement in that regard CPA.

What I would like to see is a return to mainly constructive exchanges on WOL.

I have personally tried to ignore the continuous disparaging comments about this board and it's posters, particularly longtime posters who are unfairly lumped together in a blanket accusation every time there is an issue. I have watched thread after thread spin into disarray.

It's enough. If the posters cannot discipline themselves Max should warn all parties involved in a fracas that has descended to abuse and personal insult to desist. That should not be necessary - we should be capable of controlling ourselves more effectively. All of us.

I value this board, and the snide comments about it (recent example - 'since when was there free speech on this board') and about its posters irritate me. It is imo another example of provocative and ungracious conduct. So why not cut it out and attempt to reduce the friction instead of increasing it.

Instead of getting into yet another argument about who started what and rummaging around for old posts to try and score points off each other, let's get with the New Plan.

Jetset, if you weren't so busy siding with your buddies, you'd have an objective view of this situation. You yourself have contributed to this garbage.

You keep talking about long-time posters - I've been posting here for almost 2 years. You're damn right I made that comment about free speech not being allowed here, because if someone doesn't agree with you and your group wholeheartedly, they are insulted, disparaged, slandered, and whatever else their juvenile minds can come up with.

Damien got banned because Mary complained about his copying and pasting "copyrighted" material here. ExCUSE me?? Where were you "fair-minded" people when DonG and B2G were copying and pasting my written material from my site, and from another board, solely for the purpose of derision and to stir up trouble? My written material is also copyrighted, but I sure didn't see anyone addressing that issue then.

Where exactly does your sense of fairness begin and end? It certainly does not encompass everyone.

Jetset,
Listen, I think your a good guy and I think you mean well almost all of the time.

By the same token your hands are not any cleaner than anyone else's.

You, without question or doubt, are EXTREMELY touchy on ANYTHING that contains the three letters O.P.A. Understandable, but problematic at times.
Sorry, but you are. As a result, I too feel that your objectivity has been skewed as of late.

Much of the controversy leading up to the recent events has been centered around OPA related situations and like it or not, you have been desiginated as the spokesman. Doesn't matter if it was an official decision or not...your it, and you have been put in quite a few defensive situations lately. You too have found the shoe on the other foot. It can be a little frustrating, believe I know about it!

Pure and simple. Many people are simply not all that excited about the NEW OPA and openly say so. This is their right!{I'm not talking just Damian either}

I'm sorry and I'm not trying to hurt your's or anyones else's feelings, but that's just telling it straight and many of the vocal supporters are largely carryovers from the past.

Sorry to say, but new people just don't care what happenned two years ago, who did what, why, etc., and yet they are the life's blood of the industry and I'm pretty sure WOL likes them to drop in!

Having said that, You do exude an attitude of "we were here first", what we say goes, and if you don't like it, we will figure out how to make you go away. Well, many have.

I guess what is bothering me a bit is the inability of certain posters and I'm sorry Jetset, you included, to own up to your all's participation in some of these conflicts.

It takes two to tango and the OPA has been on the dance floor quite a bit lately! It gets a little tough.

WOL has been pretty special to me in ways that none of you know, could understand and never will, cause I'm not telling! LMAO!

I don't mean that they have "DONE" something for me; just some very personal **** and finding this place did me a lot of good for personal reasons.

So, with that in mind, the older members should be the most tolerant and try to make the new people feel at home and welcome, even if they F-up! I'll try my best!

I think a few operative words are "Objectivity" and "Mutual Respect", especially amongst all of us old KNOW IT ALLS!

Now, let's pick on Max! :p Looks more like a bean counter than a gambler!
HMM, on second thought, a pretty good combination! :D

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Since all the insults and arguing seem to
be about "Portal owners" vs. "everyone else",
why not have a specific forum just for
"roasting" each other??

It could be called "The Barbecue Pit". :eek:

Flame & Roast anyone and everyone.
Casinos, software, portal owners, players,
reps, message boards, anything you like.

Medium, well done, or rare. (or burned to a crisp) :D

Wait... I believe there already IS a forum
for just that purpose. :eek:

And some of you are members of it already. :D

Do you see what I mean about this affair?

I have posted that all of us need to get with the New Plan and cut down on the insults and abuse. I have made what I thought may be a constructive suggestion to warn persistent offenders - no matter who they are.

Yet here you go again accusing "the longtimers" as a group of causing all the hassles and trying to control proceedings here when nothing could be further from the truth. And how productive is it in the present situation to keep regurgitating the "they started it" debate?

The frustration expressed by so many WOL posters and their wish to get back to useful exchanges is not confined only to "the longtimers", that much is obvious.

On threads elsewhere you and your supporters have managed to deflect the real causes for management's intervention on this board - bad posting conduct by just about anyone's standards - into yet another attack on "longtimers" This is to the extent that some posters have even felt constrained to defensively assure that they did not "complain".

There was enough bad stuff going on for any poster, longtime or no to voice concern, whether openly as a suggestion that a cautionary was indicated as I did here or otherwise. WOL was becoming one big brawl.

Yet somehow this right to voice concern that good discussions were getting screwed up is now turned into an attack on free speech and newbie members by "the longtimers"?

I am absolutely amazed that the real reasons for WOL's actions in bringing things to order have been obscured thus.

And CPA, once again you cannot resist trying to put the knife into the OPA despite the fact that I have deliberately avoided the provocation of bringing it into my post.

You act as if you were the spokesperson for a mass of anti-OPA players, and as always I question that. Your antipathy is on clear display and has been so for some time, and your comments will be viewed in that light.

Myself and others will always correct inaccuracies and disinformation about the OPA every time someone tries to discredit it - the Association continues to do a quality job for its members and I continue to support its past and current achievements and motivation.

In case you did not fully digest the central message of my post it is this. Let's discipline ourselves - all of us - to reasoned exchanges and the truth as we see it without unnecessary insult and abuse.

And yet, Jetset, you chose my comment to single out yesterday, without providing the other comments that preceded it, so I'll do that, in the interest of fairness....

Originally posted by zrapture:
Slycin, you are so clueless it is frustrating.

Get real.

Originally posted by zrapture:
Slycin, what are you talking about? I though the "clueless" term was a compliment considering what others have posted in some of your many, many brilliant discussions.

Originally posted by DONGAMBLER:
Sly, Calling you clueless was being nice. I could think of worse. You really don't have a clue whatsoever.

Originally posted by zrapture:
"Perhaps I'm reading too much into this. Perhaps you're not reading enough."

I'm reading way too much..

of your posts.

Then, and only then, did I post my comment. Nowhere did I post counter insults.

If you want more examples of this behavior, I can make a book.

Jetset,

No I don't see what you mean and lots other people don't either.
Your inability to accept honest OPA critisim is what's on display and already has been viewed as such!
If that post can stimulate that kind of a response from you, then your objectivity is already too far gone. You are not of the same mindset you were in past days when I almost always fully agreed with your thoughts and position.

I don't lie or start BS rumors, as you have insinuated. I don't twist the facts as others do either. I have offered NO mis information about the OPA. NONE, Don't go there. Name ONE! I dare you! You better be bang on too!

You just ruined any chance you had of mending this fence!

You view any opinion about the OPA that isn't glowing praise as something you must defend and NOT discuss. Nobody can get thru to you on this! Many people have expressed dissatisfaction with the new OPA set up. Why do you think you are having to make all these defenses?? They're not coming from anything I posted!
Could it be that a fair number of intelligent people don't happen to agree with your views???

You seen to have a problem with anyone that disagrees with you...and it really shows!

You don't listen when it comes to the critisim about the OPA. Period! It's as Plain as the nose on your face!

Constructive critisim is a desire to improve the model, but not if the people in charge are wearing ear plugs or have selective hearing.
You want complete acceptance and NO one to question you. It ain't gonna happen.

You said: "The frustration expressed by so many WOL posters"

WOL posters or OPA posters?? There is a difference. Maybe the OPA posters are no longer the majority here? Could be you know!

I see MANY people posting they didn't complain to Max. I see one person that was honest enough to say she complained!
What does that you tell you for crying out loud! Are you reading these things??

I also find it hard to believe that there were all that many actual Cryptologic shareholders emailing Max about the forum activity, unless of course, they happen to OPA related supporters. I'd love to know who these Crypto shareholders are? Why don't they post up too?

No doubt, WOL is an important part of the Crypto plan, however, it isn't the lifes blood to how "ALL Crypto" casinos are financially performing either. Don't kid yourself. As a shareholder, this message board would not be my main concern. Far from it!

All this behind the back stuff is for the birds, manipulative and just pretty chickenskxt!

Go Complain to Max behind closed doors and then not come out in public to see what the REAL majority thinks about it.

You don't find that particularly interesting I'm sure!

As Max has said, This isn't a Democracy and there is only ONE vote! So it really doesn't matter what you or I think or feel. I'm going back into lurking mode and wait to see what happens.

You may have the final thoughts on this. I'll read them and let it die at that.


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[This message has been edited by The_CPA (edited 09-14-2002).]

I think this pretty much sums up the sentiment AND the problems at this board -
Originally posted by The Original Mary:
I'm letting you know the kind of posts I'd appreciate seeing and not seeing.

If there's a thread about a casino you advertise-- and nobody has mentioned your site, your name, your organization in it--I don't see the need to attack the poster.

If you disagree, and continue to enter threads solely to discredit individuals for who they are, then I'm going to continue to be angry.

That's how I feel. You don't have to agree with it.

I challenge any of you to find a thread where I INITIATED any verbal assault on someone; I rarely even reply in kind. Mary tried it a couple of weeks ago and failed miserably.

I also challege you to find one post where I stated a "fact" about the OPA that was factually incorrect.

Other than thinking JetSet was the official spokesperson for the organization, which I still say he is, at least for any puposes here at WOL, there is none.

Any and all of my opinions are based on those facts.

Bottom line is, you don't like my opinion so you make careless statements such as I'm "putting a knife in the OPA"

Smart people know better and anyone that reads my posts in the OPA forum can clearly see that I am about the ONLY person that gave the OPA the benefit of the doubt on Reef Club while most people were going ballistic. Just another of many examples where objectivity took a back seat!

Sorry, I had to post again, everytime I read that knife comment and leader of the ANTI OPA BS, I get madder.

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Originally posted by slycin56:
I challenge any of you to find a thread where I INITIATED any verbal assault on someone; I rarely even reply in kind. Mary tried it a couple of weeks ago and failed miserably.
http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000092.html http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000463.html http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000451.html http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004672.html http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000476.html http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000443.html http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000461.html http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000444.html http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005173-2.html http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002806.html http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002840.html http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003048-2.html http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004620.html http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004632.html

http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000008.html

I'm not a member of "This Casino Sucks", so I haven't seen the posts there since they closed that forum.

Any posts Cindy has made about me in that forum aren't in response to any posts I've made there; and I am not able to see them.

Mary, you tried this all over the board a couple of weeks ago, subjecting MANY people to your bumping tirade.

You failed to prove it even once then.

And since when is the Sucks board closed??? We have lurkers all the time.

The www.thiscasinosucks.com (http://www.thiscasinosucks.com) board
has been "Members Only" for the past week,
due to the "adult content" contained in
some of the forums.

Sign up, Mary, then you can read all the
"good stuff" on the boards. :D

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Apollo355
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Anyone knows any affiliate webmasters earning 6 figures monthly? If you are I like to learn from you.
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OK, wait a minute!!!
If there ARE any webmasters out there making 6 figures a month, I'm single!!! hehehehe
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thecardman
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you have to work for www.softnetgaming.com (http://www.softnetgaming.com) they have all the big money
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Apollo355
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Slycin what's your website and what's your average earning?
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Welllll, now, my website would be the one listed there under my name and title!!
And how much do I make????
BOY!! Don't you know there are 3 things you never ask a lady????
1) Her age.
2) Her weight.
3) How much she makes!!! (that one's been added since we new age women started making our own money!) LOL
If you want to learn more, come join the Gambling Portal Webmasters Association!
PS - My site's been down this last week. It should be back up in the next couple of days; 'course tech support's been telling me that everyday for the last week!
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Obviouly if your site's down how the heck am I going to join your "Association"? Just tell me what's the highest paid affiliate you know..(Besides yourself)?
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See the light bulb there? It's brighter than you are, isn't it?
1) My site, underneath my name there, is Video Poker Junkie.com. And by the time you figure that out, it should be back up.

2) The Gambling Portal Webmasters Association is NOT my site, brainiac!

And if you think I'm answering ANY of your questions now, well....maybe you can figure that one out for yourself?

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Oooh..Feisty! If you're half as bright as your lightbulb you'll notice that your"Association" or whatever it's called isn't up? And second your so-called site isn't up either? Wow what a genius webmaster you are!
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The Gambling Portal Webmasters Association is , once again, not mine; and it is up and running. I am, however, the one who issues the passwords to gain access to it.
As for my site, we all have technical problems at some point in time.

And this will be my last post in this pointless conversation.

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Mary, if this is the ONLY thread that you can find where I did the initial act of derogarorily teasing someone, then all those accusations you've been making about me are totally bogus, and I believe you owe me an aplogy. Are you big enough?

Just FYI - This thread is from nearly 18 months ago, and in case you didn't notice, he was rudely pushing me to disclose my income in public. And one of the owners of WOL got such a kick out of my response, he wrote me about it.

This is so lame.

No, it isn't. It was just an example, since you weren't interested in looking at the above links. I was surprised that you got so hostile with a newbie webmaster so quickly; just the sort of person who really needs the GPWA.

Yes, it is, as a matter of fact. Face it Mary, you messed up when you tried to play the blame game on me.

I'm not gonna get in the middle of this with you two, but the keyword here is initiate. A better word in many cases is instigate.

I went thru most of the threads you posted, and right off the bat, I don't her instigating. My memory is that she never, or at least RARELY, has initiated or instigated an attack.

I have seen her get pretty agressive AFTER being attacked, but that's human nature and EVERYONE pretty much reacts that way.

You posted this one for example: http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004620.html

Bet2Gamble initiated the conflict, not CINDY and got the obvious and understandable relaliation. He then got a slap on the hand by the originator of the thread and DELETED the initial instigating remarks!

NOW! Even after all that, he decides to take another shot since it was fashionable for him look good to the players. Of course it got ugly from there, but Cindy DIDN'T instigate it.

Other than a few reasonable differences of opinion in a few of them, those post don't offer much to show any deliberiate, continuous attempts to initiate and instigate a conflict by Cindy. Just some angry RESPONSES after being attacked.

Although, since they are there, it does show who a few of the instigaters are!

We all have our moments and blurt something out that we might not be too proud of in retrospect, however, a few people here create them! Those are the problem children! And that of course is, JMO!

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Oy! Gotta admit guys I don't understand all of this and I'm pretty sure I don't want to. Whatever points you are trying to score on each other are lost on me.

What I see is a lot of jabs and hostility and I, for one, don't find it makes very interesting reading.

If it's not to idealistic and wishful I'd like to recommend that you all just lay down your weapons and chill out a bit. It seems to me that whatever points you're trying to make have been lost in all the flying fur anyway.

The _original_ point was that there's been a little too much hostility and abuse happening and nothing that's been said here makes me think otherwise.

You're welcome to rage on if you really think that's necessary but I'm not sure it's really doing anyone any good.

Regards,
Max.

Just for the record, Max, I did offer the olive branch to Mary yesterday, and she refused.

Originally posted by slycin56:
Oh, come on Joey, stop already with the inferences, ok? Jesus, this gets beyond absurd.

Mary never answered my question about whether it was FairPLAY she was talking about, and she didn't correct her post until 9/12, after Joe asked her about it here. He was well within his rights to ask why his portal was being dragged into this with negative inferences.

Now, could everyone stay out of this next part, please?? If you feel compelled beyond control to offer anything other than constructive help, please go start another thread. Feel free to title it whatever you want.

Mary, I am at a complete loss as to what triggered your anger at me a couple of weeks ago - and this appears to be some severe personal anger at me. I have reviewed everything I've ever said about you at my board, at the Sucks board, and here, and I cannot figure out what triggered this. (I have, since this started, written some derogatory remarks about you at the Sucks board. Sorry, I needed somewhere to vent; but I haven't even done that at my board.)

You and I had a mutually respectful relationship, even exchanging info about things a couple of times. I've always had a lot of respect for you, and had even posted that in just the last couple of days before this started at both my board and the Sucks board.

I have come into the knowledge, in the last couple of weeks, that there are adverse "forces" at work behind the scenes here, going to great lengths to create dissension. I'm not entirely sure of the motivation, but I'm wondering if you were the recipient of some of the disinformation.

You and I, individually, represent the two strongest gambling associations on the internet. It is very counter-productive for us to be at odds with each other, particularly at a personal level, and I'd like to fix this if possible.

I'd truly appreciate knowing exactly what triggered this. If it was something I did to you, perhaps I can correct it, or at least explain it. I'm not perfect - I know that; and I can be incredibly, annoyingly persistent when I see what I perceive to be an injustice to anyone or anything. But I just can't see what I've done to you to inspire this personal wrath from you.

If you want to handle this here on the board, that's fine. If you want to handle it privately, my email address is slycin56@videopokerjunkie.com .

Thank you.

Cindy, the reason some people have a problem with you is that you a run a Web site devoted to a game that you have little knowledge of (yes, you've played for 17 years, but you won't even learn basic strategy), you recommend highly questionable casinos, you get way too defensive when someone offers constructive criticism, you complain that everyone picks on you and that you initiate nothing (Mary has plenty of links above), and you've made it a point to question some of the board's -- and the industry's -- most knowledgable people. It's a bad mix.

Dann, listing the 'facts' without being able to substantiate any of them again?

Really, you haven't been involved in any of this until the last few days, so why are YOU jumping on my case all of a sudden, when you know nothing about me? And that bears repeating - you know NOTHING about me.

Do I make assertions of 'facts' about you?

Let Mary fight her own battle, please - the one she started and wants to continue. You don't know anything about what's going on here, and are doing nothing but trying to stir up flame wars again.

What are you talking about? Not being able to substantiate any of them?

I politely tried to explain optimum-play video poker to you in a recent post, saying it's the only "right way" to play. You obviously took it as a shot at your intellect and went on a tirade against me and anyone else who knew of the mathematical principles behind "basic stragety" video poker.

In doing so, you substantiated every one of my claims above.

This was your "polite" post - Originally posted by Dann:
You may have played for 17 years, but anyone who spends $2 on a strategy card is guaranteed to be a better player than you. That's not an opinion; it's a fact. And it's not meant to sound mean or cruel or to belittle you.

VP is a rather simple game once you know the correct strategies. And I'd think that someone who runs a site devoted to video poker would take an afternoon to read a book on the subject.

Here a few good ones that might help: http://greatstuff4gamblers.com/productlist.cfm?CategoryID=7

Once you read a few chapters, you'll see why some of the posters in this thread are (rightfully) questioning your methods.

I don't think I was wrong in my perception of what you were saying about me, but here's my "tirade", according to you - Originally posted by slycin56:
Dann, how could it possibly be a 'fact' when you don't even know me or how I play? I believe the real fact is that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to me; is it not?

Again, not one of you has EVER asked me *how* I play. You assume and make statements based on your assumptions. What's wrong with that picture?

And I will stay on that position.

For what it's worth, I believe in knowing the facts about something before stating an opinion - both sides of the facts. It saves so much embarassment.

Because not one of you has ever asked me even ONE question about how I play, there is no way you could know what you're talking about when it comes to me. How much more simply can I explain this??


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[This message has been edited by slycin56 (edited 09-17-2002).]

I really wish you would read a book on the subject because this is a fairly simple concept - and I've mentioned it before. For each version of video poker, there is one "correct" way to play that has been proven mathematically to be superior to all other strategies. You've admitted that you don't play by the books, so I know - for a FACT - that you aren't playing correctly.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Max, I apologize for cluttering up the forum with this thread, but I thought it might be beneficial for you to see why so many regulars (Mary, Don, etc.) have a problem with Cindy. She leads newbies to believe that video poker can easily be beaten, which in acctuality, even the best of video-poker players have *maybe* a one percent or less advantage over the house.

Max, I apologize for cluttering up the forum with this thread, but I thought it might be beneficial for you to see why so many regulars (Mary, Don, etc.) have a problem with Cindy. She leads newbies to believe that video poker can easily be beaten, which in acctuality, even the best of video-poker players have *maybe* a one percent or less advantage over the house.

No problem. You are, or course, quite right in your statements about VP and anything said to the contrary is misleading.

While I'm at it someone asked me to come out with my assessment of who's a goodie and who's a baddie in this sorrily degenerated thread. I abstain, but I will say that the finger-pointing and "he said, she said" foolishness does no one credit. At least this thread is aptly named: "ugly" is exactly what it is.

Regards,
Max

From my website -
I would never be so bold as to claim that my system (if there is one!) is better than any other. I play by gut instinct, and break the "rules" when I feel it's the right time to do it; and have won countless times doing that. I would never tell someone else to do so, though; it's your money you're playing with, not mine!

One should never assume to know it all....

Keep saying I don't know what I'm doing, Dann. Someone will believe you, I'm sure.

My 10th Royal at Sci-Fi, 9/17/02 - http://videopokerjunkie.com/Sci-Fi%20Royal%20Flush.htm

Cost - $100
4th $1 Royal in the last 8 days
3 different casinos/3 different games

I must know something.

wisdom from max:

You're welcome to rage on if you really think that's necessary but I'm not sure it's really doing anyone any good.

Dann--

I understand that you're concerned with new players being influenced by slycin's VP naivete, but you must understand by now that she has a few bricks missing but has still managed to erect a wall of ignorance with those remaining.

There really is no way to protect new players! All of us have scar tissue from our first encounters in the industry. Some survive, some don't. The pain can be intense but no one, (bears repeating) no one, should have to go through what you and Mary, and others to a lesser degree, are going through in your efforts to reason with the unreasonable.

Your intentions are honorable and most, taking the heat that she has, would look inward and search for an inkling of why all of this is being directed at her. That she doesn't is reavealing and indicates an absence of any hope!

Spare yourself further frustration! It just ain't worth it!

Max,

The post by Gary Z is a perfect example of
someone trying to appear that their being
"helpful", but obviously the real agenda
here was to insite Slycin, knowing full well
that she will respond to his taunts.

Posted by Gary Z;

"I understand that you're concerned with new players being influenced by slycin's VP naivete, but you must understand by now that she has a few bricks missing but has still managed to erect a wall of ignorance with those remaining."

And, continuing on with his "taunting"
remarks;

" no one, should have to go through what you and Mary, and others to a lesser degree, are going through in your efforts to reason with the unreasonable."

Gary Z is a manipulating, conniving, and
bitter person, Max. He has had "problems"
in this forum with numerous posters, including myself.

It's obvious to me, Max, that people like
Gary Z are the cause of many of the recent
problems your board has been subjected to.

Gary Z adds nothing of value to any discussion. He picks at, and baits, anyone
who he thinks he can get a rise out of.

Gary Z epitomizes the term "ass hole".

People such as his ilk are the kind that
are corrupting your forum, with the
venomous spewing of his "garbage", for no
other reason than to irritate and incite
someone, for his pathetic enjoyment.

Ho hum, so much for civility and the New Plan on this thread - hope the venom does not spread outside "Suggestions".

(Sorry, Jet)

Mr. RT - nail on the head, my man, nail on the head.

You could have summed it up with just one of your words - pathetic.

Cindy - I disagree with your theories, but I also disagree with the baiting you take here, particularly this most recent cowardly attacking by people who wouldn't say a word if others hadn't got in there first.

The question of affiliation with casinos that don't have an unblemished track record is inevitably a sticking point, but regarding your theories - I find the disclaimer you offer against anyone thinking of playing your way perfectly adequate.

If I was a non BS player, and a successful one, I'd probably crow about it as well - so I don't see this as a problem, as long as I clearly did NOT incite / encourage others to follow my example.

Gary - you are absolutely correct.

Silly sadsacks!

Damn impossible to get truly random RNG's in software unless you have a lot of money. Even then it is not truly random. Just looks like it.

Mind you, you need the brain the size of a planet to determine these patterns, but seeing as the human brain can perform more functions than atoms in the entire universe, and we don't use very much of it(5% if yer lucky) at all. Then these patterns are, obviously non-existent.

Paranoid me says this MUST be me:
Then we had the inedifying (sic) spectacle of yet another portal master pushing the envelope on vulgarity and to this day still sniping away at the host here and then trying to justify it all as "humour".

Well this unedifying portal webmaster may be considered vulgar and pushing the envelope and sniping. By who's determination? Yours? I can take it if reproach is in order.

Secret is of course approach. If you, or anyone has a problem with post(s) I have made on this board I am happy to answer. Anything and honestly. Privately or publicly.

If I step out of line, then I will apologise. If I am attacked then I will respond and usually in kind.

Simple analogy, basic psychology:

Jetset and I are watching TV. (no gay jokes please).
Jetset feels hungry.
Says to me I am hungry go out get me something to eat.
Me says fXXc off get it yourself.

Second Scenario:
Jetset feels hungry.
Says to me I'm feeling as bit hungry, how about you? Yep I am.
Jetset says, well here's some money how about going to get some takeaway for us both?
No problem.

Simplistic yes.
Simply solved? Hope so.

max--

take a look at my innocuous post advising Dann to back away from the slycin issue and then take a look a mrracetrack's attack on me.

Innocuous?

...you must understand by now that she has a few bricks missing...

...no one, should have to go through what you and Mary, and others to a lesser degree, are going through in your efforts to reason with the unreasonable...

Innocuous? I would call that downright insulting and provocative.

But of course, you know that.

Gary Z stated:

"max--
take a look at my innocuous post advising Dann to back away from the slycin issue and then take a look a mrracetrack's attack on me."

Perfect example of Gary's standard reply:

What did I do? What did I say?

Anyone that's followed this board for the past year knows very well that I only
"attack" someone when it's for a just
reason. Gary Z meets this criteria.

Gary Z is an instigator and a troublemaker.
Gary Z loves to jump on the band wagon
and take a few "cheap shots" at someone
after he sees that he has a few people
"behind him". IMO, a very classless thing
to do, and I feel the disdain I show towards him is certainly warranted.

Gary Z is a whining, smarmy, contemptible
annoyance on this board, and as I stated
in my other post, offers nothing of value
or substance here.

A low life such as you, Gary Z, deserves
nothing more than the contempt you receive
from myself, and others here.

Hi caruso an Mr--

Welcome! In the absence of anyone of substance, the two of you, Abbott & Costello, will do!

I ask just one favor! When things begin too get to rough for you, or too verbal, when we begin to use words that you collectively do not understand, please, as much as you may want to, do not try to find a rock to crawl under or some woman's skirt to hide behind!

Present yourself as a target! Let me repeat myself! Present yourself as a target, because that is your role! Each of you, in the midst of generosity, are 'meat'!

I challenge you to 'not run and hide' because I would like you to rely on abilities that are, as yet, unrefined, and that would be to stand and fight!

Let's duke this out! Racehorse says that I am 'bitter', racehorse says that I'm an '*******'! I challenge 'racehorse' to produce any comment that I have made in all of my posts, any of my posts, that 'stir the pot' anywhere close to his '*******' comments or his 'bitter' comments! Once again, race, I challenge you to present any remarks that I have made in regard to anyone on this board, anywhere close to your '*******' and 'bitter' comments!

Max, if you're paying attention, please be aware that this formerly 'nice guy', Mrracetrack, is now a militant, ranting, out of control relative (I apologize, I couldn't resist, being the bitter person that I am) of caruso! Sorry, caruso! Didn't think I'd ever have to apologize to you, but I have checked your genealogy and you and racetrack are cousins!

I have no idea how you, caruso, ended up in the UK, because your relatives are from the hills of Tennessee!

Once again, racetrack, I challenge you to come up with one 'post' of mine that is as 'vitriolic' as your '*******'--'bitter' post! Please, don't run and hide! Stand and defend yourself! If you can..........

OK, Gary Z

Let's have a closer look at a few of your
"Pearls of wisdom", taken from some of your
"valuable contributions" to this board.
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Anyone wasting their time with your infantile, defensive 'fuzzy thought process' needs to stand right behind you in the line for cerebral forgiveness!

Your history on this board, from your first post to the most recent, has been turbulent. That will not change until the great God of Maturity anoints you with a 'whisper' of character that can be nurtured to adult status!

If a group of fools, in their aimless wandering, should happen to see you on the path, slack jawed and drooling, may they compassionately lift you to their level!

I have a suggestion for you, Mrracetrack, and I hope you won't take offense. Before taking on the The Original Mary, the most respected poster to this board, why not get a good rope and go look for caruso who is the most abrasive, petty, rabblerousing poster to WOL.

So, Mrracetrack, I'll ask the question again. When caruso becomes a 'raging' pit bull, why do you not 'chew' on him?

Yup, I'm stirring the pot, adding fuel to the fire, saying what I think! Please tell me it's OK! (Passive, don't hurt me speak..)

Damn, this is fun!

If it's a**first either caruso or mr could tell us! If it's 'headfirst', we won't be able to hear their answer!

My problem with caruso is simple...I can't stand his arrogance! His role on this board seems to be to 'billboard' his contempt for anyone who is 'lower' on the board scale than he believes himself to be.

mustang
mrracetrack
caruso
slycin

We 'may' get around to the common denominator a bit later, we'll see how things unfold.

My suggestion that you think more and post less was not a capricious, whimsical thought. Virtually every one of your posts comes across as self involved, superficial and highly, highly defensive!

The fact that you took my criticism which was meant to help you as bullsh*#t, is proof that you will not get anywhere close to the top of that mountain. Sad, very sad!

I will do my utmost to ignore your posts from now on because you are an emotional child with adult mentality. People will always single you out for derision and ridicule, that isn't going to change until you do.

You fall way short of someone to 'bother' with!

Hi caruso an Mr--
Welcome! In the absence of anyone of substance, the two of you, Abbott & Costello, will do!

Max, if you're paying attention, please be aware that this formerly 'nice guy', Mrracetrack, is now a militant, ranting, out of control relative (I apologize, I couldn't resist, being the bitter person that I am) of caruso! Sorry, caruso! Didn't think I'd ever have to apologize to you, but I have checked your genealogy and you and racetrack are cousins!


Max is on the defensive! Read the posts! Why is he abandoning the trenches and retreating? ....
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Huh? 'Fraid that didn't come through very clearly 'zimmer. One more time, speak slowly, and in simple English please.
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Case Closed!! I feel even stronger now
about my statement that "Gary Z epitomizes
the term "Ass hole".

After reviewing some of your babble, that is
the only way anyone of normal intelligence
could possibly perceive you.

MrRacetrack--in all of the posts that you make reference to.....I have not lowered myself or the english language to your depth of 'gutter' talk!

You may convict me of looking 'askance' at your inadequacy, caruso's inept pretense of humanity, and your collective and protracted effort to convince each other that either of you are any thing other than 'board bullies', but a 'few' of us are onto you!

By aligning yourself with caruso, you MR, become 'ratso', on the bus to Florida, decaying and giving off an offensive odor.....

Take note....the words chosen in the above paragraph bear no relationship to 'bargain basement' references to your 'obsession' with the orifice used for waste elimination! With just a 'little' imagination you, MRracetrack, could select words worthy of someone over '13' years of age!

Max, if you read this, once again, I would ask that you search and review carefully! This is a classic example of someone 'attacking' and another 'defending'! We are speaking of board 'veterans' coming after people without provocation! In my 'innocuous' post, absolutely no reference was made to either Mr or caruso. I simply advised Dann to 'leave slycin' be....because is is impossible to 'reach' her! If that is an 'unforgiveable' indescretion, there is no hope for any of us!

"If I'm listening". Of course I'm listening! And I don't like it one damn bit.

I think you all need a good pee-pee slap and be sent off to bed.

At this point I don't care who was _originally_ at fault because by now you're all culpable.

Let me put it this way: ENOUGH ALREADY!

Return to your respective corners and chill out!

Regards,
Max

Bugger that!

I can take almost anything. I would crumble under a pee pee slap.

I'm outta here! Where are my chill pills?

http://www.smilies-world.de/Smilies/Smilies_gross_1/Smi11.gif
Damn. Wrong bottle. Bleedin' uppers. ****e. Gonna be up all night.

Ha ha even censors S.H.I.T.E :)

[This message has been edited by deaning (edited 09-19-2002).]

Once again, deaning, you amuse!

Some laughter from any 'post' triumphs over mathematics, strategy raving, rigging accusations and bellicose 'royal flush' rantings.

I have just two comments regarding what max has written above.

His choice not to attempt to learn who is the aggressor in this dispute gives new life to problems that his 'changes' are supposed to correct. By simply reveiwing 4 or 5 posts above he could easily see who the 'aggressors' are and who is 'defending' against those agressors. By not doing so and correcting the attackers, he is sentencing others to be attacked.

(2) His reaction to caruso's remark about flushing WOL down the toilet was not just defensive, he launched an offense that brought caruso to his 'apologetic knees'. He fought caruso in the best way he knew how! Allowing others to follow the same path would seem equitable and in keeping with 'fair play'. Are we now 'not allowed' to defend ourselves when attacked?

I said that I only had two comments and those above are the two. I have learned something from all of this, now if I can just apply it!

... His choice not to attempt to learn who is the aggressor in this dispute gives new life to problems that his 'changes' are supposed to correct.

Interesting point. My problem with doing as suggested is that I find I have to be very much more careful that just reviewing a few posts before I drop the hammer on someone. It's often a difficult, unpleasant and time consuming process and as such I enter into it very carefully.

As to the issue of repeated attackers making things difficult or unpleasant for other readers: I'd have to say that this is very much within the bounds of our new initiative on the boards --informally dubbed "The New Plan"-- and I'm trying to pay close attention to exactly that sort of thing.

Frankly, it _is_ difficult for me to see the aggressors in some of the some of the old debates, but that certainly doesn't mean that that's where the matter ends. In the future I welcome you or anyone else to point out to me --either within a thread or via email-- when you think someone has crossed the line and is being abusive. I'll deal with it pretty swiftly, one way or the other.

Regards,
Max.