A trip down Memory Lane isnt life funny
http://www.winneronline.com/interviews/jetset.htm

Some memorable quotes by a real BIG PLAYER and SUCCESFUL (NOT) Casino Operator

Stated By Brian Cullingworth we all know what happened next!!

"Right from the start we decided that fast and reliable payouts had to be a prime business objective - our player surveys told us that. We've always held this as a top priority - even when we were hit hard with several $10 000 plus winners in our first month or so! I can tell you that made my eyes water a bit! Since then of course we have grown in player-base and turnover so big hits don't test us as they did in those early days."

Yes cash hunter we all know that the best way to run a casino is to cheat, lie, steal and just be an overall moron much like you are. Then you have the need to have 12 different alias'(Oliver Curran, Warren Cloud, Don Money) So that no one will hunt you down and shoot you. Great way to turn a profit. Im sure one day this will all catch up with you and you wont have the capacities to use your hands.

Originally posted by cashhunter:
we all know what happened next!!

I don't. Before my time. What happened next?

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Yes microgaming foots the bill unlike your casinos where if your a little short on cash you just steal from players. hmmmmmmm as a player where would I rather have played?

Max, why is cashhunter allowed to post?

The guy is a complete fraud, cheat, and thief.

Post, damn they even let this crook advertise here. I doubt they care what Cashhunter says as long as those banner fee royalties keep rolling in.

For the benefit of our studio audience, Jetset was hired as a consultant to set up the Tropika Group of casinos.

He had finished doing so and was not involved with managing them when they started offering very generous bonuses and spiraled out of money.

They were the first Microgaming casinos to have their obligations to players honored by Microgaming in the event of operator default.

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I'm referring to later events.

Do a search on "Ashbee", that'll make it easier for you to find the threads you want.

by gamblinboi--

Max, why is cashhunter allowed to post?
The guy is a complete fraud, cheat, and thief.

Not saying you're wrong but could you substantiate your claim?

He's had 11 posts since registering the last of May. What makes him a fraud, a cheat and a thief?


[This message has been edited by Diomedes (edited 10-30-2003).]

I agree with Diomedes .
What makes cashhunter "a complete fraud, cheat, and thief." ?
I dont know, so could you please explain?

-kavaman

Originally posted by kavaman:
What makes cashhunter "a complete fraud, cheat, and thief." ?
I dont know, so could you please explain?

-kavaman
Cashhunter = Warren Cloud = Donald Fortune

Do a search on Warren Cloud. Check out the old Grumbles on Rated Player.
Do a search on Casino Extreme, Casino Heat, Ruby Dragon Casino. They were managed by Cloud until sometime late 2002 - when his partners kicked him out.



[This message has been edited by Jydeman (edited 10-30-2003).]

posted by Jydeman--

Cashhunter = Warren Cloud = Donald Fortune

Do a search on Warren Cloud. Check out the old Grumbles on Rated Player.
Do a search on Casino Extreme, Casino Heat, Ruby Dragon Casino. They were managed by Cloud until sometime late 2002 - when his partners kicked him out.

If I do the search will one of his posts say 'I am Warren Cloud and I occasionally post under Cashhunter'?

All of us know who Warren Cloud and Donald Forune are. Do the issues that Cashhunter bring to the table identify him as Warren Cloud?

This could be educational for all of us. How (specifically) do you identify Cashhunter as Warren Cloud? Do you do it with technology (IPS...URL...)? We're not saying that the identification is wrong...just want to know how you arrive at your definitive conclusion?

I have noticed that Cashhunter hasn't denied being Warren Cloud in another thread...but even that is not definitive proof.

Everyone gets upset when we label a casino as cheating without an adequate sample...should we offer less to individuals?

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Interesting response. Cashhunter defends Cloud's casino management record using Alexa stats. Cloud has been repeatedly and consistently accused of driving casino traffic by offering attractive bonus terms...and not paying players.

Thus, attractive stats are immaterial in proving Cloud's integrity as a casino owner or manager.

This has been a problem for about three years now; Jetset has been the most outspoken recently about Cloud's history.

A history that was admitted by RTG execs to me.

Logically, this would make Jetset an unpopular person to Cloud. Jetset was a minority shareholder of the casino from which he derives his nom de post. Unlike Warran's changes of cognomen, Jetset has retained to name so that his history of participation in casino ownership may readily be traced.

He was not involved with the final spiral to
self-destruction of the Tropika casinos. He was involved in encouraging Microgaming to pay players left unpaid. He has also been involved in encouraging RTG, Boss, Chartwell, Futurebet, World Gaming and Cryptologic to stand behind their licensees as well, and for Microgaming to regularise their player claim procedures after more casino failures.

Cashhunter- are you Warren Cloud?

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Not sure I understand all the chatter.

I play at Fortune Lounge casinos every week but have not been to their website for six months.

I have been to the Crystal Palace website a couple of times this month but have not downloaded their casino because of the bad press.

How does this relate to the data in these traffic figures ? First guess would be - FL makes money but no traffic and the opposite for Crystal Palace.

[This message has been edited by two_card (edited 10-31-2003).]

Cashhunter -- doesn't Magnek have a question pending?

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Oh yes he is not Warren Cloud today, perhaps he is Oliver Curran, wait no he is Don Fortune, or possibly one of his other 12 alias'. No matter who he is Cashunter is an immoral dumbazz whos casinos make a profit because they steal from players when they are a little short. The fact that he made a thread simply to bash a member of this forum who dispays a level of integrity that Cashunter will never even come close to attaining, shows he is someone with little compassion or ethical thinking. Only a matter of time till Online gaming is legitimized and a criminal like him will be extracated from this business, but Im sure he'll still have a bag of stolen money to show for his underhanded efforts.

This could be educational for all of us. How (specifically) do you identify Cashhunter as Warren Cloud? Do you do it with technology (IPS...URL...)? We're not saying that the identification is wrong...just want to know how you arrive at your definitive conclusion?

Sorry for not answering before. I didn't notice the thread was moved here.

Cashhunter posted a private email sent from Jetset to Warren Cloud. If Cashhunter has access to Warren Clouds email I found it safe to assume Cashhunter = Warren Cloud.

If you do a search you'll see that all Cashhunter ever posts on is how reliable and wonderful Crystal Palace and sisters are.

Who mentioned Fortune Lounge?

FL was used as an example explaining why Alexa stats means nothing when guessing if a casino is succesful or not. I hardly ever visit Intercasinos site - though I play there frequently.

Besides - I don't have Alexa in my browser - so even if I visited Intercasino it wouldn't be registered in Alexa's stats.

Oh yes he is not Warren Cloud today, perhaps he is Oliver Curran, wait no he is Don Fortune, or possibly one of his other 12 alias'. No matter who he is Cashunter is an immoral dumbazz whos casinos make a profit because they steal from players when they are a little short. The fact that he made a thread simply to bash a member of this forum who dispays a level of integrity that Cashunter will never even come close to attaining, shows he is someone with little compassion or ethical thinking. Only a matter of time till Online gaming is legitimized and a criminal like him will be extracated from this business, but Im sure he'll still have a bag of stolen money to show for his underhanded efforts.

Whoa! This one slipped me by, but I see some well informed posts telling it like it really is over the usual Cloud drivel.

And yes, Diomedes this is Cloud alright. Readers may have gathered that this casino operator doesn't much like me (I should take that as a compliment I guess - you would be surprised at some of the really dumb stunts he has tried to pull over the years) mostly because we report his activities in our industry news, and its not always positive stuff. You'll see a lot of his discrediting attempt nonsense in the archives here posted under "your_nightmare" too. Our clashes go back to the times when he and his buddy George ran out on the "Rated Player Casino" players and their creditors - you can look that one up in the archives here, too.

Perhaps it is no coincidence that I have just come under irrelevant attack on my Jetset history at Casinomeister, too - Cloud has as many posting "handles" as he has aliases in making these periodic sallies against my integrity, which are I am sure savoured by a few others who do not regard me as top of their particular pops. These folks play hard-ball without too much regard for the truth, but that's part of reporting on this industry.

I have nothing to hide or be ashamed of, but lest I be perceived to be guilty by silence, I will once again regurgitate the facts behind my Jetset casino involvement several years ago.

I have never been a casino owner. I was a very small minority shareholder in Jetset Casino when I parted company with the Tropika group, and that was before it failed.

In my capacity as a consultant I was a member of a team that was commissioned by a group of Canadian entrepreneurs (the Tropika group) to set up 12 online casinos in 1996. Jetset Casino was one of these. We did this and veteran gamblers here will attest to its initial success and efficiency.

I returned to my consultancy and business intelligence company on completion of my contractual obligations. Some time later a combination of ill-advised promo management and lack of ownership focus in an investment sense led to the decline and fall of the entire Tropika group (including my small shareholding in the one casino)

In a ground-breaking initiative for that time in order to protect the players, Microgaming did a deal with Tropika's Canadian owners which ensured that outstanding payments to players were paid. Cloud's allegation that Tropika players were stiffed and left in the cold is rubbish, and he knows it.

For Cloud to come here as he does occasionally and try to attack others for their past is ironic, given his own continuing operational conduct.