I wondered if anyone here is knows if this can be done on the major software (i.e.- MG, Boss, Crypto).

In other words, is each game ordered to pay out a certain % and that is it, or can the casino change the game to different payback %s when they want to?

If so, can they set it also for blackjack, craps, roulette, vp as well as slots and keno?

It seems to me that would be a very easy thing to include in the software.

B&M casinos have to buy chips for each payback % and they are not that cheap. Online casinos it seems would be able to effect different paybacks much easier if they have this "select a payback %" capability.

I could see saying "well its Saturday nite, time to change the payback to 70%" and also, "Well its Monday morning, time to change the payback to 95%"

Hi Slotski,

I am sure it would be possible for the developers to build that type of functionality in, but I don't know if it would be in the best interest of the "big name" gaming companies to provide that type of flexibility.

Kind of like Mcdonalds. If you buy a franchise, you can't start stamping out your own burgers to save money on meat. Mcdonalds, has to make sure they have control over the product. (Lest their licensees could ruin them.)

Obviously, I don't know for sure. I would bet if there is "room to play" with the percentages, it is not too much. Most of these sites are audited these days and any big discrepancy would stand out.

Put another way: If I owned Microgaming and expected to protect the name of my company, I would not allow somebody using my software to mess with the payouts. One “greedy” licensee and my software gets tied to “questionable odds.”


Originally posted by slotski:
I wondered if anyone here is knows if this can be done on the major software (i.e.- MG, Boss, Crypto).

In other words, is each game ordered to pay out a certain % and that is it, or can the casino change the game to different payback %s when they want to?

If so, can they set it also for blackjack, craps, roulette, vp as well as slots and keno?

It seems to me that would be a very easy thing to include in the software.

B&M casinos have to buy chips for each payback % and they are not that cheap. Online casinos it seems would be able to effect different paybacks much easier if they have this "select a payback %" capability.

I could see saying "well its Saturday nite, time to change the payback to 70%" and also, "Well its Monday morning, time to change the payback to 95%"




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Joe Plummer
www.fairbet.org

I sure did wonder that today. Yeah, call me nuts, but I played 5 RTG casinos today. All blackjack, and all $5 flat bets with less than $100 deposited at each. Without exception, I lost the first 5 bets, at least, on each and two of them were worse. I think if the operators go on a cash scramble, and that feature is included in the software, it could mean trouble for the unsuspecting players. I've typically done better at RTG than MG casinos. Whether to play RTG at all is probably questionable at this point.

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The true criminals are the software developers themselves, NOT THE LICENSEES.
A major software developer will not allow its licensees to "tune" the odds, because if word ever leaked out that there was a
"cheat mode" built into the software, it could put the software developer out of business forever.

If a software developer wants to tweak its odds, it will hire programmers with no morals and ethics. These programmers will be paid a large sum of money to write source code delibeately designed to STEAL $$$ from players AND from its own licensees. THIS IS A WIN WIN SITUATION FOR THE SOFTWARE DEVELOPER - since there is no regulatory oversight whatsoever.

The game is rigged, and the players' lose more than they typically would in a random game. Since the software provider makes 30% of its licensee's profits, it has the incentive to cheat.

But wait, there's more:

If a software developer wants to cheat its licensee, it can be done in a very transparent manner.

A PHONY player (a shill for the software company) logs onto the casino, and wins a jackpot, or a large sum of money. The licensee makes far less of a profit than it should have for the month.

The player loses.
The licensees lose.
Even the affiliates lose.

And the software company gets rich.

LACK OF REGULATION IS A LICENSE TO STEAL.

Boss Media, Microgaming, and RTG are "turnkey" software. This means the franchisee just turns a key to start operations. The software provider has complete control of gaming odds and play. This does not mean that the software provider can't change the odds.
Let us suppose casinos with RTG software had a large loss due to player cheating (the Danish scam). Rtg could change odds at all their franchisees to help recover losses. I am not saying this happened. I am saying it is possible.

I've always wondered whether a casino factors in their bonuses by having the player lose more often during the time the promo is running.

What I cannot understand is if individual casinos do not have the ability to change odds while a promo is on, how come many casinos in the same group show the same kind of %age payouts when some within the group have regular promos while others do not.

This morning I played at 24ktgoldcasino on a 100% bonus; it won 50% more hands than I did...I'm not moaning about it, that happens whether on bonus or not at different casinos. But if odds are tweaked while a promo is running, it would mean it's best not to play at that casino if not eligible for the promo, while it was running as it would be really hard to even break even.